Randy Christ has come clean and admitted to authorities that he took a gun Saturday morning to two Brentwood dogs that were attacking chickens on his property according to authorities.
Rick Golphin, Deputy Director, Contra Costa County Animal Services Department, shared that Mr. Christ shot the German Shepherd and Rottweiler while they are in his chicken coup. His son, Jon Christ, then took the birds and dogs, because they believe that Mr. Crist will be arrested for firing a gun in city limits. Jon then took the responsibility saying he beat the dogs with a shovel and burned and buried them.
“He took us out, showed us ashes and dirt and claimed it was the bodies,” explained Golphin. “We went out later and excavated the spot and came to conclusion there was no burn large enough to claim what he claimed.”
The dogs were recovered Thursday after a worker at the Byron Sand Mine found the remains and then contacted authorities. That is when the Christ’s came clean.
“Established through interviews, it was father who did the shooting. People at the query found the dogs and two-dozen chickens. The father and son then explained what had happened,” explained Golphin. “As far as we are concerned, the father killing dogs was legally justified, any other charges such as obstruction will be topic of conversation with DA next week.”
Golphin explained that had the Christ’s come clean that he had shot the dogs, this incident could have been over on Saturday. It has since caused a lot of additional work and a lot of resources.
“Everyone was helpful during the investigation,” explained Golphin. “We never really encountered problems other than the original deception. We never had any problem getting information beyond the deceptive story. After we got remains they cooperated fully.”
Dogs have been examined by veterinarians at the county and been prepared waiting for the owner.
Official Press Release:
Updated:
Contra Costa Animal Services Close Investigation of An Incident involving Killing of Two DogsMartinez CA, On Thursday, October 3, 2013, The Contra Costa County Animal Services Department concluded their investigation of a case involving the killing of two dogs in the City of Brentwood, CA. The investigation has established that the property owner, Mr. Randy Christ, killed the dogs by gunshot. He did so when he found them inside of his sons chicken coop killing the birds. It is our belief these actions by Mr. Christ were legally justified due to circumstances that existed when he countered the dogs.
When initially interviewed, Mr. Jon Christ, who is both the owner of the birds and Mr. Randy Christ son, declared that he had beaten the dogs and disposed of their bodies in a fire. Jon Christ believed that his father would be criminally charged with discharging a firearm within city limits. He felt that disposing of the bodies and assigning the blame to himself would prevent that. We have established that Jon Christ was not involved in the death of the dogs.
On Monday, Jon Christ met investigators at a local quarry, where he directed them to an ash-pile that purportedly contained the ashes from all of the animals. This information was subsequently found to be false. Animal Service investigators excavated the site later in the week and did not find evidence supporting the claim that the remains were incinerated at the site.
On Thursday, 03 October 2013, investigators were able to confirm through multiple sources that Mr. Randy Christ shot the dogs. The same day, employees of the quarry located the intact remains of the two dogs and dozens of chickens. A Veterinary Medical exam confirmed gunshots as the dogs’ cause of death. There was no indication that the animals were beaten.
Although Jon Christ initial story was improbably, it initiated a firestorm of public outrage and hindered the investigation process. The agency will be presenting the facts of the case to the Contra Costa County District Attorney’s Office next week. Any decisions on possible charges will be subsequent to that.
We would like to thank all involved parties for their patience as investigators worked toward establishing the facts of this incident.
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Disgusting liars.
Have all of you already forgotten about our Antioch neighbor Hunter Kilbourne who was mauled by a sweet house dog last August? I shared a link but the administrator of the other site wouldn’t approve it; you will have to google “child mauled”.
German Shepherd’s and Rottweiler’s aren’t known as safe pets; that’s probably why they were given up in the first place. I’m glad they didn’t go after anyone’s babies. Be responsible and secure your dangerous animals. It is you, the ill-responsible dog owner who is at fault in this ugly situation.
Here’s the links…
Hunter Kilbourne
https://eastcountytoday.net/two-dogs-beaten-to-death-burned-and-buried-in-brentwood/#comment-7456
Hunter Kilbourne
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9209255
Hunter Kilbourne
http://news.kron4.com/news/dog-mauls-10-year-old-boy/
German Shepherd Attacks 8-Year-Old Boy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHT9bDTcrbU
Child’s Dog-Attack Rescue Caught on Tape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8oxyWoWJpQ
Cops shoot Rottweiler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9fCK6Y0bu4
55 year old Women Attacked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p25g-I-mo2Q
Rottweiler attacks Police Officer – Taser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0w7ovO6r1E
German Shepherd Attacks News reporter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHLnjiISsOo
Missionaries Attacked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Am9ht2FRB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtrdAFq0XAc
Woman Loses Nose in Dog Attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDZ1BgVdOZo
Rottweiler attacks 62 year old man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnwkCU1UWW4
Livestock Killed (48 Sheep & baby Lambs) by stray Dogs, then attacks owner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L44dHMlgL_I
Dog attacks Jogger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_qPfHPCE1w
How many do you want????
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Why don’t you post all the links of the sick humans that attack and murder people – which by the way are posted nationwide every single day.
I actually was thinking the same as you, Robin. Selective news stories slanted toward generating a certain public opinion always has hit a nerve with me.
Alma, Just consider the source and mentality of the person placing those posts. It is clear they are a neighbor and probably also a friend of the Christ’s. They are prejudiced rather than objective.
A terrible terrible tragedy about Hunter – it’s beyond words! We can all dig up links on every type of person and every type of animal where there are tragedies. No good person wants anyone to be hurt or killed for any reason. BUT the fact that you state German Shepards and Rottweilers aren’t safe pets simply makes you IGNORANT!
The person that posted these links should also have posted links on all the rapes, gang killings, and straight out murders committed by MEN that occur daily. Does this mean that ALL men are a danger to society? Should they ALL be locked up or disposed of? Come on, use your brain… if you have one. Luke and Jager were not vicious – they were a couple of big love bugs who were friendly to all who met them.
You’re a hate/fear mongering asshat. Dogs aren’t inherently evil you ignoramus. The masters are.
where’s the like button
above comment for Robins post
Funny! More like where’s the self destruct button.
I meant to include… “For these dog killing freaks.”
Dearest Robin,
You spewed “………more like where’s the self destruct button”
You might want to look under your fingers.
Common Tater – (Is that like Tater Tots I loved as a child?) Your moniker says it all. Kind of like the other weirdos posting garbage but not having the courage to use their REAL names. KLM’s comments are funny and on the money.
Robin,
You laid another egg.
Specifically, you choose to ignore the subject matter and divert from the subject. Ridiculously you chastised me for my moniker (not using my name) and in the same passage attempt to give props to someone who posts as KLM? Yeah…….. posting as “KLM” is reallllllllll accountable!
Consider looking up the word hypocrite and fully digesting the meaning.
After that, digest some crow. You earned it freak.
By-the-by, “Robin” is a perfect moniker for a bird brain such as yourself. What a cruel trick your parents played on you.
Common Tater – Or is this a new moniker for Petitor Veritatis? Your writing style is eerily similar. Or better yet… maybe it’s really Randy Christ himself hiding behind such monikers. I have heard through the grapevine that he fancy’s himself better and smarter than others.
If you’re all that and a slice of bread, have the balls to use your real name!
As for my name – I obviously had nothing to do with naming myself but I can assure you I am no bird brain and have an extremely high I.Q.
That being said, if you want to use this forum to discuss the issue at hand, fine. If you want to behave like a child I will no longer respond to your posts.
Have all of you already forgotten about our Antioch neighbor Hunter Kilbourne who was mauled by a sweet house dog last August? I shared a link but the administrator of this site wouldn’t approve it; you will have to google; “child mauled”.
German Shepherd’s and Rottweiler’s aren’t known as safe pets; that’s probably why they were given up in the first place. I’m glad they didn’t go after anyone’s babies. Be responsible and secure your dangerous animals. It is you, the ill-responsible dog owner who is at fault in this ugly situation.
My comments were removed again. What kind of forum is this, if its only single sided?
My father and grandmother bred and trained German shepherds. My brother has a German Shepherd now, and she is the sweetest dog you could ever know. Shepherds are no more dangerous than any other dog breeds. It is the owners of ANY breed who are the problem. There are just as many stories of Shepherds, Rottweilers and other so-called “dangerous” breeds who have protected and save their owners and children from harm as well. Also, dogs’ natural hunting instincts are to go after chickens, birds, rabbits, cats, etc. Again, the owners have to do their very best to keep their dogs contained and trained, even a toy breed. Many people think it’s cute when their little Chihuahua shows its teeth, snaps and growls, until it sinks its teeth into a child’s face. Against, dog owners, not the breed. I’m sure the owners of these two dogs were responsible, but sometimes dogs will get out.
Idiot Alert: There is a difference between the temperament of ATTACK dogs and companion dogs. Maybe the Police should be switching to Chihuahua K-9 units.
Why didn’t you comment on Hunter Kilbourne or all of the other Child Mauling?
Maybe you can explain how Rocky Osborn & Ellen Barkley Guard dogs {Quote “escaped at 6:00 am on Saturday morning”}, and why they would be so fearful as to feel the need to call the Police instead of the animal control?
If Rocky and Ellen were out of town, why were the dogs left outside all night? Did the dogs jump a fence; crawl under; or unlatch the gate? If their property was unsecure then the Guard Dogs should have been on a leash.
It all comes back to the guard dog owners! If you didn’t own dogs, this wouldn’t happen. If your going to own dogs, you have to be responsible!
I have a question for you ( child mauled ).. Why are you hiding behind the moniker.child mauled?What do you have to hide? Also why did you find it necessary to call people names. Wait is this a member of the Christ family? Anyone who covers up their actions usually means they have some thing to hide.
I have nothing to hide, and I don’t see you using your last name or address either. Every one wants to blame the end result, when it comes back to the dog owner’s lack of responsibility.
You’re an idiot. These were NOT guard dogs – I knew them personally. They slept in the house with them, her children and a CAT. Were in backyard for morning constitutional (you know… take a dump) when a neighbor dog busted their fence IN causing them to get out. Brentwood is a small town and both Animal Control & Police were called to file a report letting them know we were looking for them. Hopefully you don’t own any animals.
That father is is a sack of crap. Look what his son had to go through bc of him. I cant believe he went on tv and still let his son take the blame all bc he didnt want to get in trouble for shooting a gun in a residential area. All this wouldn’t have been 5% as bad if they would not have lied. They both brought them apon themselves by lying. Wasted many many resources. Sick and sad.
As I said if it was “legal” for him to kill anything that threatened his livestock why did he have to lie to begin with. Still not adding up.
Either way it was unneccesary!! Sick SOB needs to be punished!! They could have called the authorities!!
What about the poor chickens that were being MAULED to death. I’m sure they died a pretty horrible and painful death!!!!!!
There unfortunately has been NO proof due to all the lies that the dogs mauled any chickens. For all we know, the Christ family killed the chickens to aid in their lies. Dogs are undergoing a necropsy to determine what exactly happened to them and if any chicken remains in their stomachs.
Thank you- a voice of reason FINALLY.. Geez us….Still waiting for proof the dogs actually went for the chickens. (maybe on the site and I haven’t found it yet!?). I bet not…should have been a bloody mess if they had… so many things still don’t add up… I KNEW the shovel story was pulled out of his ass…
Animal Services report landed on DA’s desk yesterday. More detailed necropsy in progress. Still unsure of so many things due to all the lies.
For all outraged by this despicable act please either email a letter directly to the DA (Mark Peterson) at [email protected], or [email protected]. Ellen will remove your name if you like. If you email directly to the DA please cc or also send to the hotmail account so Ellen will have a copy.
This type of violence and cruelty must stop. Studies show people who do this to animals frequently move onto humans. I’m glad they’re not my neighbors.
Anyone can go out to the Justice for Luke and Jager FB page for up to date info and can also see sample letters that have been forwarded to the Contra Costa County DA.
Really?
un believeable the dad put on a pretty good show,they didnt have to go thru all this,it was inevitable that the truth would come out,
Seriously – lying right to the face of the news interviewers!!!! He must be a politician.
I am truly disappointed that this man cannot even stand up for himself and let his son take the blame? Really? Be honorable and confess to what you have done, don’t let your son make that blame and then make it a bigger lie? The family who lost the dogs has gone through enough hell losing their animals, now they are reliving a second story? What’s next? Is the county going to charge this person with all of the bills for man hours he has wasted? I hope that the county charges this man, and the boy, and hopefully the family that lost the dogs will finally have peace.
Sad that a dad would let his son take the fall for him. As parents, shouldn’t they be teaching their kids to tell the truth, not cover up killings of animals?
Hah! Nearly everyone that comes to this site were ready to lynch Jon Christ. And YOU WERE ALL WRONG! The only evil I’ve seen in this whole sordid mess is the evil displayed by those that come here and wished harm on Jon Christ. I know Jon Christ. He is a church going family man with a wonderful family. He is a great neighbor and a decent all around guy who was only doing what he could to protect his father. You people sicken me, and all of you who called for harm to him should be ashamed of yourselves.
Bull crap
you all belong in the woods
To “Righteous in the ‘Wood” (10 to 1 you are a relative of these LIARS!)
Even his (Jon’s) own FATHER was saying he had done it! WHY blame the public for thinking it was him- Being wrong isn’t at all what this is about! These men are at fault- even if it is only for the lies….. Defending them will mean nothing to anyone!
You got it! Anyone who protects these to up standing citizens lol Can burn in hell right next to them
You have got to be kidding! You are actually defending a proven liar who changed his story about beating dogs and then burning and burying them? Nice of you to throw out the church reference as if he was a church going family man, he wouldn’t be lying like that. Protecting a family member is one thing, but what they did is a little more than a white lie.
Well, he’s a “church going” man, so he MUST be honest. Gotta love that one. Since when does. “Church going” make one a good person?
Yeah, I’m standing in my garage so I must be a car.
best remark yet!!
Yeah – this was one of my favorites too!
Considering that people were basing their anger on your friend said he did why would you try to rub peoples noses in being wrong? So because he had a good motive it was acceptable to lie and waste all those peoples time and resources and cause all this uproar? That is what good church going folk do? And you are fired up because people judged your friend and yet you don’t hesitate to come here and spew hateful blanket judgement right back? I wish the hypocrisy of good church going folk still surprised me but it doesn’t.
People were “ready to lynch Jon Christ” because of the LIES he told!!! He stirred up this “sordid mess” by his own will and words. Why did his father need “protecting” if he was within his rights to do what he did? Hmmm??? YOU, Sir or Madam, should be ashamed of YOURself for defending these two liars who probably have a lot more skeletons hidden in their closets…dog skeletons, that is.
Okay, so why LIE and have your kid take the fall????? Ummm hmmm. He was interviewed on the news and LIED. Not a Christian thing to do. No one should be wishing ill harm on him and his family though and the owners of the dog have asked and begged people to not do that, and lose site of the reason they are trying to change the law. However, what really killed the chickens????? They didn’t catch the dogs killing them right? Will we ever know? Probably not. What if it was another wild animal, and the dogs happened to run onto the property after they were already dead and got shot to death for no reason. I strongly believe all this could of been avoided by calling authorities instead of killing the dogs, and I’m not forgetting or discrediting the poor kids or people that have been mauled by strange or family pets.
I have to admit when i first heard this story on the news i was very upset,but knowing how the news is I waited to see if anything was true. so sad about the dogs. I have dogs and it would be heart breaking to lose them. but what disturbed me even more was the HATE that people were displaying with their comments! I was sick to my stomach for days because I was worried someone was going to do something stupid to revenge the death of the dogs! I don’t know the family but when I saw the picture of the son, something in my gut…can’t explain it..told me that he couldn’t have done this. Now some people are angry because he lied, Yes he did lie for his father but his intention was to protect him! It seems the people that hate want revenge for what they see as murder but don’t realize the hate they have in their heart is the same as murder!
Mama, you seem to be a kind hearted person. I’m glad to know that at least ONE person in East County is not an evil mongering lynch minded hater.
Joh Christ is a good man, I see him everyday. I am not related to him, and I have no real goings on with him. Just a person whom I know of, and encounter in the backgound of my daily goings on. He did what he did to protect his father.
Again, we are talking about two dogs, and sure they were wonderful family pets that wouldn’t hurt a fly. Except in this case they did, and they weren’t so wonderful. So, a good man was forced to do something that would never have happened if Rocky Osborn of Bill Brandt Ford, and his girlfriend Ellen Barkley had provided as secure environment for their pets. I’ve seen their house. They claim the fence was broken. I dont see any evidence of that whatever. So, maybe they lied too.
I hate that their dogs died. But… calling for harm to Jon Christ which almost everyone here has done is even worse. The people who called his place of employment are even more horrible. Everyone makes mistakes, the hard part is letting people make up for their mistakes and to forgive them. Jon Christ will never get that chance with the evil people here.
Heck, most of you would have had him swinging from a tree last Monday.
The neighbors fence was broken – I drove by too while looking for these dogs. The dog that broke INTO their yard came in through the neighbors fence and then into their BACK fence which cannot be seen from the street. Stop spewing your inaccurate info to the public and go back to thumping your bible. I am happy to go on record as one of the people who contacted Jon’s employer and requested he be terminated. After all, it is a good family owned company and they’re not interested in trash like this working for them. Oh, and another thing… if they’d like to come down to my neck of the “woods” and stir up trouble – I too keep loaded weapons and know how to use them. I’m willing to bet they don’t have the balls as killing an animal is so much simpler.
Wow you tried to get a man fired. What a damn scumbag you are. Damn I hope I never have anything like this happen to me. Cause morons like you will jump to conclusion and try to ruin my life. Being pissed off at a guy is one thing but now you don’t want him to provide for his family. You are a nasty vile pile of crap!
I didn’t try to get him fired – I DID GET HIM FIRED! The Gallo Wine family has a stellar reputation throughout the world and doesn’t need someone like this as an employee – nor this type of negative publicity. He actually bragged to co-workers of what transpired and his moving the dogs to the Gallo property – that’s how he got caught. Not too bright. Not my problem he cannot provide for his family. Oh wait… according to assessment records, daddy owns the house so little Jonathan should be OK until he finds another job. Too bad the Mormon church will miss out on some monthly tithings.
Church going family man! WOW, keep thumping that bible because this whole incident does not show god fearing mentality. This family is sick and I’d like to know how many other times they’ve done this OR what else (possibly human?) is hidden/buried on their or related property.
Yeah right….
this comment was made in response to ” in the wood(s) comment..
Yep. Jonathan Christ is a good ol bible thumping Mormon family man. Wow, wonder what other people belong to this congregation. Might be scary to find out.
Righteous in the `Wood…..If your Christian friend would not have LIED this would not have gone this far. So sad that we thought he beat and killed the dogs. Now that I know the way they were killed it is a little different. Still a very sad story. And I think it could have been handled better by the Christs.
Didn’t his father say his son was not a liar? well it looks like they both are, they need to go to jail, for what they did and for what they told the police, they should both be put behind bars! you can tell they are not welcome in Brentwood.
You know nothing but evil thoughts and that will eat you from your inside out, not that there is much there anyway. You’re an empty shell, and have no redeeming qualities as a human, so I guess this is normal for you. We are talking about dogs. DOGS. You would choose DOGS over a human? You are the one who should be locked up. I watched the animal control officers question Jon Christ for nearly 3 hours last evening while he was in his front yard. They were smiling and very friendly with him. I believe that he did what he had to do, and that the only wrong in this whole mess is the owners who let their dogs loose. Two more fine creatures raise wrong to be aggressive, and forcing someone to do what needed to be done before they harmed a child.
Obviously you have ice water running through your veins AND have never owned a pet. Even my dog who never goes out of the backyard without being on a leash, has managed to escape a couple of times. Does he deserve to die for that? Is he considered a danger to others because he is a big dog.. no!
He didn’t do what he had to do – he didn’t “have” to lie for his father. HIs father should have been the “christian man” he is supposed to be and told the truth from the beginning. The dog owners didn’t “let them loose” – they got out and they were looking for them. Perhaps if you’re going to blame anyone, you should be blaming the Christ’s for having an unsecure chicken coop. Makes about as much sense as the crap you’re spewing.
Oh Ms./Mr. bible thumper – so you’re one of his neighbors on Gristmill Drive? The dogs were gentle. All they had to do was call animal control or police.
It’s not proven that the dogs got into the chicken coop and killed chickens. Given the lies and cover ups, it’s not unlikely that this man saw the dogs on his property, got his gun and shot them. It sounds like there’s a mentality in that household that that’s a justified response. Maybe they did get into the coop, but as of yet, there’s still no proof of that. And if they did get into the coop—how? Who leaves a coop open? I’ve had chickens and if you leave them exposed, you know what happens? Raccoons and possums kill your chickens. And if the dogs were able to get to the coop (meaning it wasn’t in a fenced yard) then the chickens would have been able to get out to the street. See, there’s just a lot of holes in this chicken massacre story. It’s not like those dogs could jump a fence that a chicken couldn’t also jump. And the animal control officer? Is he a friend of Randy Christ’s? Because he’s taking a very odd attitude considering he’s been lied to over and over again. He still thinks there’s no chance that this wasn’t justifiable? He still thinks they’re telling the truth about the chickens? Nah. Someone needs to check on is relationship with this family.
There are local people to people in other states that would love to run into Jon- He has only his own Father to thank for that!! lol
Wow you people are more frenzied then two dogs in a chicken coop……….
*than
That’s funny
Good one
This is ridiculous! Story after story. Or should I say lie after lie. The outcome is still the same. Those poor pups suffered, and my friends have to live with the devastating loss of their dogs. Haunted everyday with what those sick people did. It’s disgusting…. And to all that keep repeating the ” where is the responsibility of the dog owners?” I can personally tell you that irresponsibility is NOT a word to describe them. Ellen and Rocky sending hugs to you. Remember “All dogs go to Heaven” xoxoxo
So why lie about it in the first place!!! There definitely is something not “right” about this man. Most serial killers started by killing animals… just sayin!! At the very least he should face charges and fines to cover the added expense caused by his lies and hiding the truth. Again – why??? It just does not make sense! My heart goes out to the dog owners. My pets are part of my family and I know how devastated I would be. Hugs!
Fed up is so right. Killing and burying things. I say all those properties should be searched, who knows what could be dug up? I believe this is a “new” lie so that the son, Jonathan, will not be permanently fired from his job at Gallo/3G enterprises.
I called first thing Tues am and got him fired – I am sooooo happy! I too would like all properties searched but am told without probable cause will not happen. Hello! Anyone remember the Jaycee Dugard case??? Ample opportunity to find her but no…
Read through the posts. We have no proof of what happened to the chickens other than the Christ’s killed the dogs and moved them to Jonathan’s place of business. He bragged to co-workers of what transpired. No hunches. Too many lies from them.
You people are never happy. The investigation proved that he didn’t beat the dogs to death or burn them yet you still want his head on a plater. Again this never would have happend if the owner had secured the dogs in the first place. Now what happens to the owner of the dogs that said all these false things about him? She should have let them do the investigation first before slandering him.
The Christs are a bunch of lying liars – the father lied to our faces on the news…his son lied to animal control authorities AND to the dog owners by giving a false “location” and then giving them false remains. This ALL never would have happened (frenzy) if they had TOLD THE EFFING TRUTH IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!
Ummmm….the dog owners NEVER said any “false” things about Mr. Christ. They repeated Mr. Christ’s lies, thinking it was the truth. Wow, talk about twisted logic!
Funny thing about lies is that no one will believe anything else you have to say. Had the initial story been they shot the dogs and then called animal control to pick them up I would have said hey they have that right. I don’t think the shooting was called for but I was not there and I highly doubt the story. What remains were found in the 1st sight? Have these sickos killed other animals? I hope they get charged with lying and obstruction and firing a gun in city limits and whatever else they can. The only people who have not lied are the dogs owners
Sucks that my tax dollars had to go to investigating this whole incident for the last week. All because these two morons lied about what really happened. If you lie to the authorities, there is going to be a price to pay!
Who lies for you will lie against you.
Thank you – very profound! Daddy owns several properties that his children live in – maybe that’s where the sense of lieing to protect him comes in? Or… is it something more sinister than that? These people are not normal, off balance, and just plain sick.
I still think most rational people would have called animal control or tried to scare the dogs off rather than resorting to violence. It scares me to think what would happen if any children were caught chasing chickens on this family’s property.
I hope the DA make both parties pay all the wasted money back to all agencies untilized. If Jon was this great Christian he would not have lied. Both father & son sound like 2 unbalanced people I would not trust or want either in my neighborhood. What a twisted demented story. I’m curious if either the two dogs were fixed. Dogs unfixed are more likely to leave the yard chasing smells of other dogs.
YES!!! THE DOGS WERE FIXED!!! She works in rescue, it’s the first rule of rescue is get the animal fixed.
Settle down I’m on their side. I was only courious. I’m a dog owner of two and go to great lengths with our fence to keep our dogs in. We have to take 2 neighbors to court to put up new ones on our dime. There is little commons sense during these times is who I asked. I feel horrible for her. I lived in rural Oakley & had a dog that chased the neighbors uncaged chickens all the time. No shooting, just discussions. Ongoing no real solution because none of us had fence yards. We all just dealt with it and figured it out. Dogs & chickens ran around everywhere. These ppl that did this weren’t your everyday farm ppl I raised my kids in the Knightsen Community & I never seen or heard of this kind of malice.
If these people were soooo concerned about their chickens the coop shouldn’t have been up against the road. Should have been further back on the 3.5 acres property and maybe built better or protected by a fence.
Unfortunately, sometimes dogs AND cats escape from home. My deaf cat escaped yesterday while ATT cable was here and thankfully I saw him as he ran into the street. I was able to grab him before any oncoming cars ran him over.
The Christ’s aren’t farmers? Do you know the definition of farmer? Just because they don’t meet YOUR definition of farmer, that doesn’t mean they aren’t farmers. The owner’s of the dogs are responsible for their dogs, homeowers have the right to protect their property [in this case livestock]. Ultimatley their property was threatened and they removed the threat. Blame for this incident should not go any further than the dog owners.
Golly gee whiz… I live practically in Downtown San Jose and people around me have chickens – I sure as hell wouldn’t call them farmers. To my knowledge, the definition of a farmer is when you grow enough crops or livestock to pay your bills and sustain your family. Both Jonathan Christ or his father, Randy Christ have income earning jobs not pertaining to their property.
Gee whiz, you don’t need to be a farmer or rancher to protect livestock. Get a clue Robin!
Your dogs get near me, my family, my pets or my property without invitation and the only sound you will hear is the sound of my gun going off. Clear?
If you are in your right – then fine. Stand up like a man and report it. Hoping you teach your “children” more kindness than you’re spewing out. Clear?
My kid’s a better shot than me — A real double tapper. Clear enough for ‘ya? Go hug a tree back down in San Jose.
Any other comments hot shot?
Yeah. I’ve been shooting weapons for over 40 years and someone like you doesn’t intimidate me. Based on your posts can only imagine what type of adult your child will grow up to be. Makes me shudder.
While you are shuddering you may want something to read. (See the comments and links at the bottom of the article). Happy trails…………
http://www.thepress.net/pages/full_story/push?article-Trespassing+dogs+shot-+not+bludgeoned+%20&id=23820953#comments_23820953
It seems to me that the law needs to be “tightened up”. I believe you can’t just say so and it’ll be so. It reminds me of those days when a white man’s word was taken over anyone else’s just because they were white. So, just because he says they were killing chickens, he gets away scott-free? There’s monetary value attached to those dogs as well. I feel he has to provide some corroboration to his allegations before he can be exonerated for the killing of domesticated animals.
Because the people in downtown San Jose have chickens illegally on their property speaks for itself. If making a profit excludes you from being a farmer, there are no farmers. They almost all get government subsidies. There is no way they will change the law to exclude defending your livestock. What if a pet Boa Constrictor got out and was squeezing your dog to death? Would you just stand by and let it happen? You are wasting everyone’s time to try to change this type of law. It will never happen. Rights go in both directions. The dogs were wrong.
For your edification… chickens are legal in city limits in many cities (San Jose, Oakland, SF and hey, even Brentwood). The issue is not the owners protecting their livestock – it is how, and what they did after the fact. Face it, the bay area is NO longer completely rural and we must find a way to co-exist as I have stated before.
I grew up in Silicon Valley and remember my mother driving us behind Moffett Field to pick tomatoes growing in farmers fields and roaming through orchards. No longer. All concrete and buildings.
No one should shoot off a weapon if there is any other way to stop a situation. Non violence should be practiced by all. That being said… if I or a family member were being attacked, it becomes a different story. The Christ’s were not being attacked.
It is now the law that no animal can be rescued from a shelter w/o being fixed. The only exceptions are animals that have escaped their property, and the owners come to collect them, pay the fine, and/or produce papers when they collect them to prove they are used in professional breeding.
Surely, you must not have meant by “both parties” that the dog owners should pay? The owners did not lie. It was Mr. Christ and his father who lied and led the authorities on a wild-goose chase, which racked up the cost of the investigation. So why would they have to pay, except perhaps a citation for loose dogs.
Ellen Barkley works in rescue? Then she is a highly trained guard dog owner, fully aware of the laws. The dogs should have never been left unattended to jump the fence. Of course they should be finically responsible. But isn’t this why we pay our taxes and insurance.
If you were parasailing, and something went wrong and you crash; causing damage to someone else’s property. Who should be finically responsible; the airport, the airplane owner, manufacture of the parachute? No, It’s the person who jumped. Take responsibility for your actions.
If a motorist is driving down the road and swerves to avoid hitting a stray dog and clips the dog; then runs into a telephone pole and the motorist and dog both dies. Who is finically responsible? The car company; PG&E; the stray dog? No, It’s the owner of the dog. Take responsibility for your actions.
You are disgusting!! Go talk all your bs somewhere else. By the way Hunter the boy who was mauled & family have a German Shepard. You have no right to come here and open your mouth.
Get your facts straight. Luke and Jager were NOT guard dogs – more like lap dogs. They did NOT jump the fence. Their yard was broken into by a neighbor dog.
While you’re talking responsibility…go to court records and have file MSC99-02282 pulled from records. Seems that little Jonathan barely licensed (back on 5/12/98) missed a curve and the family blamed several DEEP POCKETS for his poor accident. Payout small in the big scheme of things (I have lawyers in my family) which tells me it was, “Get the hell out of my face nuisance money.”
I’ve heard from other sources… daddy is obnoxious, see’s where he can screw someone over and does not hesitate so HIS family does not have to take responsibility.
NICE! Glad I don’t come from a family like that.
Both dogs were fixed and very gentle. Jager used to give me hugs and kisses. Luke’s usual position was sprawled out on the couch.
Liars! I hope they are charged! And such Christians. Yeah right!
My heart goes out to the owners they have lost family members and these jack wagons have caused a considerable amount of additional pain to them by the lies that continue to come out of them, very sad to think that they think what they have done is okay.
I call B.S. on their entire story! Whether he was “protecting his poultry” or not, there is a REASON they were hiding their actions by saying what they said and doing what they did!!! Lying sacks of b.s.!!!! I hope they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!!!
The dogs were still buried to HIDE the evidence! If they were the Christians that they claim to be, they should have called the owners and told the TRUTH! I’m still wondering why feathers weren’t found on the property during the investigation ….
Thousands of Hail Mary’s and a years worth of daily confession with a priest is needed for the Christ family men.
That’s what good church going people would do.
The Christ’s would have never come clean with their story had the dog remains not been found. I feel so bad for the dog owners. Just imagine the thought running through their heads, over and over, of watching the dogs that they so very much loved being beaten, doused with gasoline, burned, and buried! What a sad tragedy.
Hopefully the piece of crap “dad” will at the very least be brought up on charges of lying to authorities and/or filing a false report.
I know nothing about the law, obviously. Too bad there isn’t a law against being a crappy person.
And the above commenter was right. Dogs are not people. They are so much better.
As I thought there was more to the story. Okay, if he didn’t “legally” do anything wrong why would they think they would get in trouble for discharging a firearm and collaborate that story?
Doesn’t the stupid law say you can protect you livestock? So will we ever know what really killed two dozen chickens and the real reason why they shot the dogs? One lie after another.
And the ashes that were originally returned to the owners belongs to what? I’m glad they are getting their babies back and can grieve and have them cremated and mourn the loss, however this story will not end here. The law needs to CHANGE.
I knew he couldn’t have done it with a shovel. Those breeds are too intelligent to wait in line to be beaten to death. I guess we’ll never know what really happened. Anything they come forward with is suspect now, I think.
If your pet or any other animal comes onto my property and threatens to harm my livestock and/or family they will be shot! When you people bought homes in the sticks you really should have thought this out first! Jon is not a criminal, just a loving son who didn’t want to see his father go to jail for something he thought may be against the law in a spur of the moment reaction which escalated into something bad for the whole family. I do feel very sad for Ellen and Rocky for the loss of their beloved pets!
100% Cornfed is 100% CORRECT!!!! Winner winner chicken dinner!
OK, maybe that’s too much. At least someone here understands what happens to STRAY dogs that harrass livestock.
And while the Christ’s may have lied, that ISN’T murder to all you morons who can’t differentiate between the two. Lying is not a capitol offense.
Get over it, take a deep breath, and try and regain some oxygen flow to your brain, some of you need it in the worst kind of way.
You’re the moron and probably an inbred just like them. You’re claiming behind all of your posts christianity and bible thumping – but lying is OK? Come on… That’s not what I was taught growing up.
You’re a creep and probably don’t even live in the area. The dogs traveled 4 miles to this property which by the way looks like something out of the movie “Deliverance.” Urban and rural areas now unfortunately cross paths. I live in San Jose and a lady close by in a very expensive neighborhood (Rose Garden) has chickens. I would hope if my dogs got loose she would not kill them but either corral them, call animal control, or pd. If they did harm any of her “livestock” I would pay through the nose to replace.
Fine, so the next time y’alls chickens, cows, horses enter my property I’m gonna throw some .306 rounds there way.
You are 100% entitled to do that. Dinner on me and my negligence. Plus I get to pay for whatever my animal damaged.
Now how would you feel after defending yourself and your property if I used my contacts through my business to have ancillary charges to your nonexistent “crime” levied against you?
Mu guess is that they probably shot the dogs to stop them and then used a shovel to kill them. Sounds inhumane to me …. We’ll never know.
I was always suspicious of the shovel and gas thing. It didn’t sit right. Like judge jdy says; “if it doesn’t makes sense its probably bull shit”. I’m with Cornfed. Take responsibility for your dogs or don’t own one. Who cares if they lied about how the dogs were killed. They were not properly contained by the owner.They attacked and killed poor innocent animals or foul livestock and were disposed of doing so. That’s the law and I doubt anyone will change the right to protect yourself or your livestock. How come no one is sticking up for those defenseless poor chickens? They were murdered violently. Oh, let me correct that. They were killed violently and the dogs along with their owner have no one to blame but themselves.
So lying to a law enforcement officer is no biggie in your book.
Nice to know where you stand on that issue.
Those are your words not mine. I bet the police get lied to daily and probably know it too. They will charge him if it’s appropriate.
Nope.
I’m pretty sure the meaning of “Who cares if they lied about how the dogs were killed.” is pretty black and white. Since the people interviewing them for the circumstances were law enforcement.
But you go right ahead and back peddle if you must.
We unfortunately don’t know for sure if the chickens were killed by the dogs. So many lies… They had only been running a couple of hours and were not hungry. Hopefully you don’t own a pet or better yet, have a child that goes missing and gets murdered so you too can be blamed for not keeping it under your control at all times.
Bet you didn’t know that the bit who was mauled Hunter. His family has a German Shepard so shut the hell up. No dogs deserves this, get the hell of this page.
Good Lord! Once again folks on the East County Today blog have shown how low they can get.
The news touched off a widespread and heated debate, with many accusing Christ of animal cruelty and others contending that he was legally entitled to protect his poultry. Brentwood police said that a neighbor of Christ witnessed the dogs killing the chickens.
Animal Services officials agree with those defending Christ: “It is our belief that these actions by Mr. Christ were legally justified due to the circumstances that existed when he encountered the dogs,” the department said in a news release issued late Friday.
Officials said that Jon Christ, thinking that his father would get in trouble for discharging his gun within city limits, tried to protect him by removing the dogs’ bodies and assuming the blame for their deaths.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_24239955/brentwood-dog-owner-says-chain-events-led-her
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Neighbor corroborates the story that the murderous dogs were killing innocent chickens. Furhter, the Animal Control People agree that Christ was just in killing them. Finally, all we have is a lie told to try and protect a father whom a son feared was going to be in trouble for shooting a gun in the city limits.
The fail on the part of those who called for Jon Christs head is immeasurable. You are all horrible people for your thoughts and actions (the ones who called his place of employment)
Wallow in your lack of decency and evilness losers.
Hahahah – the neighbor also lied when we were trying to find these dogs and they had already been killed. The Gallo Wine family has a stellar reputation and doesn’t need some creep like this on their payroll. Even if he lied, he transported and dumped their bodies on Gallo property. Not good. You need to spend some more time thumping that bible because you just don’t get it. YES, I called his place of employment and demanded his termination – and DAMN proud of it!
Bill Brandt Ford will be getting some calls next week too. This story is the serious “talk of the town” at the Escalon and Stockton Livestock Markets. Remember Stockton has lost 250 goats and sheep during the past year to the dogs of negligent owners.
Most of the animals to bay area markets go through those two markets. And ranchers and meat buyers ALL drive trucks. I think Bill Brandt is going to lose a little business.
What does Bill Brandt Ford have to do with this? Not following your logic. Please explain.
The same thing that Gallo (see above) has to with this, which is quite likely nothing. But turnaround is fair play after all.
But it would be interesting to say the least if it was found out the business contacts in politics, law enforcement and general community were used to push their agenda.
What I will say is that a lot more of “my people”drive Ford trucks that need tires than there are that drink wine.
Here is some interesting news for valley and delta farmers and ranchers.
https://eastcountytoday.net/brentwood-to-purchase-5-police-vehicles-from-bill-brandt-ford/
You are the one living in a hell, placing a dog above a human is evil. Your soul is owned by the devil himself. Best tie your bed down, because otherwise it will be bouncing in the air while you spew more of your vile green filth from your evil mouth REGAN MACNEIL. Feel that cold chill? Be afraid.
Sorry, I switched from Christianity to Judaism a long time ago and don’t buy into that BS. I will admit though that the Exorcist was a good movie! Based on your sick comments… do you molest your children too because it was ok to do so according to stories in the bible? Just wondering…
Irresponsible people who let their dogs run free to attack other animals and/or people should be jailed. The irresponsibility they display almost always leads to some kind of incident that is less than desireable. Then after the incident, which usually involves dead animals, people line up on one side or the other to attack and criticize. Had those dogs been on my property, attacking my livestock, I would have shot them too. Then called the Sheriff and filed charges against the dog owners. State law here prohibits dogs running at large and gives us the right to protect our property. You can’t break up a dog attacking another dog or livestock, without substantial risk to yourself, I have a number of physical scars to prove that point. .
Have you read any of the articles? They escaped when another dog got through their fence? They aren’t letting them run free like so many other neglectful dog owners do. As soon as they found out they were missing a huge search party was called in. Get your facts before you go assuming they are neglectful dig owners. Read all about the case, they would have gladly paid to have replaced any dead livestock and a new coop in exchange for the dogs lives being saved. That’s been stated in the facts of this case so go read up on it!
Thank you! I was one of the search party and drove up all the way from San Jose frantically trying to find them. NO WAY Ellen, Rocky, and family would have EVER allowed the boys to run free. She has done so much for so many animals it is sickening to see something like this happen to her own. I got my beloved Belgian Shepherd thanks to her rescue efforts and if someone killed him, well, I’d just have to claim “Temporary Insanity” after I got done with them.
The dogs were not PERMITTED to run free. A neighbor dog broke into their yard causing the breach in the fence. Both dogs were purebred with collars and tags – and very, very sweet – I knew them personally. All understand the laws and right to protect livestock. The issues most of us have are all of the lies, were any chickens really killed, AND if he had time to go inside to get his gun, he certainly had time to call 911. Have heard from some of his neighbors that a lot of dogs go missing in the area. For your edification… I own large dogs and guns. I was taught that gun ownership carries a high level of responsibility and care. I would NEVER blow off a gun in city limits willy nilly as there would always be the possibility of a stray shot hitting a human. There were NO remnants of chicken parts remaining on the property when we were out there with PD and Animal Control. Did he take a vacuum cleaner to the yard so no parts remained? Even when dogs/wolves/foxes kill, they don’t eat every single part. Everyone I’ve spoken with who was raised around poultry confirmed that there is no way the dogs could have killed as many as the family is claiming in one fell swoop. The chickens would have scattered and flown as soon as the coop was broken into. Also, why was the chicken coop so close to a roadway/trailhead people traverse daily with no protection around it? Not very bright or concerned about their poultry.
By law they should be jailed. Per cali food and ag code 31402, their negligence in securing their animals directly resulted in death ad serious injury to livestock, punishable by a $500 fine and six months at county.
Nobody considered that. I wonder how many BPD officers got sweet tire deals from Bill Brandt Ford.
Read the last line. I know that reading facts is hard for most people.
A press release from Contra Costa Animal Control stated that authorities were able to confirm that Randy Christ had in fact shot the dogs. The same day, employees of the quarry had found the intact remains of the two dogs and dozens of chickens that the dogs had killed.
Not accurate. The dogs bodies were not found until Thurs. Oct. 3rd by an employee. It was then confirmed through a necropsy they were shot. Told that some chickens remains were found with the dogs – NOT dozens. None of us know for sure if they were killed by the dogs or owners. Still waiting for confirmation.
Robyn Hayes I think you are my new BFF!! I have Loved following you through this thread. You are awesome!
You’re very kind “Sturgeongirl.” Please sign the petition and spread the word at Change.org: Justice for Luke and Jager (so we can hopefully change the laws) AND email the CoCoCo DA – Mark Peterson: [email protected]. We are no longer in the Wild, Wild, West and must figure out a way to co-exist in a humane fashion.
Yep. Already signed! I signed the first day it was available.
Hugs from a fellow animal lover!
(Sorry for the misspelling of your name)
Ok you admit that this is all speculation but there is no excuse as a dog owner for your dogs to get out. You know why? Cause you train them. There could be a cat in my front yard and my front door could be wide open and my dog would never pass my front door. You know why??? Cause I took the time to train him.
Unfortunately… animals are not perfect. Children who are lulled by strangers only to get murdered have also been “trained” by their parents not to talk to or engage them. Even adults walk into bad situations (on trust or curiosity) and end up dead. I have personal experience with how easy it is to walk into something like this, only to almost lose my life.
Glad you’re a professional dog trainer and yours is perfectly trained – most are just dogs that follow their nose.
We’re talking DOGS, not BRAIN SURGEONS!
Hopefully nothing horrific like this ever touches your family causing the suffering Ellen, family and friends are going through now.
Ok your right. There just dogs right. That’s why you just leave them out back and ignore them. How soon did they get out before they where found missing? How long did it take for the supposed next door neighbor dog to get threw the fence. If your going to be cruel and make your dogs outside dogs you BETTER be out there daily checking the fences. Regardless if you think the fence it the city’s responsibility.
They were NOT outside dogs. They went outside to play or go potty when THEY wanted to. Check out the Justice for Luke and Jager FB page and you can see (the pics) for yourself they were indoor dogs who slept in bed with them just as mine are and do.
Ellen rescues dogs and has rescued over 50 in the last 1.5 years. If you have read previous posts you will see I commented that I received my beautiful Belgian (Groenendael) Shepherd who was scheduled to be euthanized along with his sister. His sister BTW now lives w/an Alameda Co. K-9 Sheriff Deputy. Ellen and family are EXTREMELY responsible pet owners.
The neighbor dog broke in at 6am – within an hour people were awake and looking. No one believes the fence is the city’s responsibility. Neighbor dog got in through another neighbor’s side yard and then broke into the back yard of Ellen’s home to play with Luke and Jager.
If the farmer is telling the truth and he found the dogs on his property attacking his livestock what was he supposed to do?????
Ellen has created an email account for any that would be kind enough to send a letter she can then forward onto the DA. She will delete your name if you so wish.
[email protected]
First off, they are NOT FARMERS – google the property yourself (550 Creek Rd) and you’ll see it looks like white trash out of “Deliverance” lives on it. Oh, and BTW the chicken coop is fairly recent because it doesn’t show up in the pics. They had ONE chicken coop that was not very large. All TRUE farmers I’ve asked about this situation have told me they would first try to scare the dogs off with pots & pans, yelling at them or a water hose. These two dogs would have run as they were not aggressive at all.
Secondly, there have been so many lies from these people we don’t know what the truth is. Did Raccoons or Coyotes get to the chickens? Were any chickens actually killed by the dogs or did the owners dispose of them?
True farmers expect to occasionally lose a small amount of livestock – and take steps to prevent it like securing the chicken coop! If you’re a “TRUE” farmer you do NOT put your livestock out in the open as bait.
If they were truly the good “Christian” people they profess, they would have tried more humane means to get the dogs off of their property OR called authorities as soon as they took the actions they did. They would not have lied, hid evidence and obstructed justice. These are the biggest issues their community has. If you have nothing to hide and the laws are behind you – why would you behave like this? Ellen and Rocky were handed bread sized bags (still warm) and told they were the cremains only to find out later it was merely refuse and the bodies were actually found days later. This is sick and just plain torture!
Others have suggested they merely used the dogs as target practice – nothing else.
As I have said before, Ellen and friends would have paid ten-fold and even built them a better chicken coop to replace any damages even without proof the dogs did the supposed deed.
Their behavior is anti-social and they are a danger to humans on the street.
Wow aren’t you judgmental!!!!!
You started it…
Call them as I see them. I was at the property on the day we got the news. The facts speak for themselves. I’m not “judging” anyone – merely stating the truth.
What about the stupid owners of the dogs? Had the dogs been secured at their home, NONE of this would have happened. If 2 large dogs would have been on [or even near] my property and made me feel threatened in away, I would have shot, stabbed, kicked, and burned them without thinking about it. It’s sad someone lost their pet because they weren’t smart enough to secure their dogs onto their property. The guy who shot them knew nothing about the dogs, all he saw was the dogs were killing his livestock. He ended the possibility of those dogs attacking and killing anything else — as far as I’m concerned, he eliminated a public threat. What if the guy would have scared the dogs off, an the next thing the dogs did was attack a child. He did the right thing by shooting them. Personally I would have gone after the dog owners for the cost of the chicken and bullets. “Justice for Luke and Jager”, really? It looks like they got what they deserved. Before you start calling them like you see them, you should to identify the root cause of the problem because you look like an idiot.
Unfortunately you are coming across as the idiot. I sure hope you don’t have children because I’d really hate to see your DNA added to the gene pool. If you do have children and teach them this mentality… maybe you’ll get to spend your weekends visiting them in prison one day.
Robin,
I’m siding with Jacob on this.
“I sure hope you don’t have children because I’d really hate to see your DNA added to the gene pool.” It’s polluted enough already.
Wow Robin, ignorance must be bliss. Everything you have said in ALL of your posts ignores the root cause of what occurred. Had the dogs been in a secure place, none of this would have happened. The dogs escaped BECAUSE ELLEN DIDN’T HAVE THE DOGS IN A SECURE PLACE. You had to come from San Jose to join the search party, BECAUSE ELLEN DIDN’T HAVE THE DOGS IN A SECURE PLACE. The Christ’s had their property violated BECAUSE ELLEN DIDN’T HAVE THE DOGS IN A SECURE PLACE. The dogs were shot BECAUSE ELLEN DIDN’T HAVE THE DOGS IN A SECURE PLACE. You’re finding every excuse to blame the wrong person BECAUSE ELLEN DIDN’T HAVE THE DOGS IN A SECURE PLACE. You see a pattern here? Ellen appears to be the common denominator.
So YOUR story is that a coyote or raccoon got those chickens. To “make things right”, christ then went and grabbed two stray dogs, draggged them to his chicken coop and locked them in it to shoot them. Cool theory.
Ever seen the difference first hand between a predator kill and a pet dog massacre? I have.
Chase the dogs off with pots and pans? What “chicken farmer” are you talking to? Dogs ALWAYS come back to where the “fun” is, and people like you and your friends NEVER pay for the damages inflicted by your pets. This is evident in the profits that your friends have made off of their negligence and not a single dime going to compensate the victims of that same negligence.
Robin,
You appear to be wrapped around the axle on this issue. There are a hell of a lot of people that find the dog owners negligent and respect the rights of the rancher. Attempting to use lynch mob mentality through a petition to the DA is a colossal waste of time.
“I’m not “judging” anyone – merely stating the truth.”
Petitor –
There are a hell of a lot more people behind the dog owners. The Christ’s are NOT ranchers or farmers. They had one small chicken coop next to the road and trailhead that people traverse daily. The property at 550 Creek Rd., Brentwood looks literally like a scene out of “Deliverance.” If you don’t remember that movie… i.e. white trash.
All are sorry for the dogs escaping, making it to their property and getting into the chicken coop if this is in fact true. There have been so many lies by this family, none of us know the truth.
What if something like this happened to your family pet or worse… your child? What if you were a neighbor and a bullet missed and killed your child? Would you still say, “They were in their right to protect their chickens?”
Think about it for a moment. Urban and rural areas cross, multi-cultures, races, religions, beliefs… We gotta come up with a better way to co-exist.
Robin,
You appear to be wrapped around the axle on this issue.
There are a hell of a lot of people that find the dog owners negligent and respect the rights of the rancher.
As far as your question goes, I don’t miss. So the result would be the same, two dead dogs.
Get over it!
Once again – there are a hell of a lot more people behind the dog owners than the dog killers. Not going to get over it. Glad you’re such an expert shot you don’t miss – hell, even the cops miss. But if someone does this around your family (whose not the expert shot you profess to be) and injures a member… don’t whine. Hopefully nothing like this ever happens to you.
Wrong. How the hell do you even begin to think there are more people behind the dog owners? Don’t you read the local papers???? The people supporting the property owner are outnumbering your stance 4-1. So get over it.
Don’t worry about me or my family with your silly little hypotheticals-It isn’t going to happen. That’s the problem with you and your angle Robin, is that it is all based on a what if instead of what is. Don’t whine!!!
Bang!
I do read your local papers and have seen the letters to the editor. You are incorrect that people are 4 – 1 against the dog owners. More like the other way around. Thousands of people have signed the petition at Change.org, and likes on Facebook. People from all over the world have responded in favor of the dog owners.
Golly Gee Robin you must have missed the comments attached to this article & the links provided to other articles, comments and letters to the editor. http://www.thepress.net/pages/full_story/push?article-Trespassing+dogs+shot-+not+bludgeoned+%20&id=23820953#comments_23820953
You don’t get it do you? Petitions signed by “people from all over the world” don’t count for much. Because “all over the world” some see pets as sacred and others see them as lunch.
If acquiring and submitting a petition makes you feel better, then swell. Whoop de do for you, but it is not going to change a thing. Official petitions need to be signed by registered voters silly! Grow up Robin.
Nothing says pompous windbag who wants people to think they are super smart on the internet like using “Petitor Veritatis” as your nom de plume.
Dario pompous idiotso,
Google much?
Imitation is indeed the sincerest form of flattery!
Vielen Dank
Well said!
Clearly some of you need to chill…. It is inevitable that if you have dogs long enough they will get out. If they get out then all kinds of things can happen, it is a risk of having a dog. I have a dog that literally I have caught climbing a tree and jumping on to a fence to get out of the yard. He got out probably 6 times and fortunately he would befriend a neighbor who would look at his tags and called me to come get him. One time he got out without his tags on. Our family was beside ourselves. My kids were all terribly sad but I knew it was my fault for not paying attention and making sure he didn’t get out. He got picked up fortunately by animal control. A couple hundred dollars later he was bailed out and was home with his family the next day. We have learned we have to let him out in the back yard, watch him and make sure he gets in the house. I know that if he gets out he could get hit by a car, adopted by another family, or get picked up by some sick individual that could torture him and now I know that if he gets out someone could shoot him if he chases their livestock? Ok. It is my responsibility to make sure he doesn’t run away, I accept that.
I understand someone protecting their livestock. It isn’t a lifestyle I am really familiar with but I moved to an area that is a part suburbia and part agriculture so I will keep an open mind. It is still debatable if any of the Christ family’s story is truthful because they weren’t truthful right from the start. On top of that he chose to do things to cover up what he did. But let’s just give them the benefit of the doubt…
If the two dogs that have been described as sweet turned in to Cujos as some dogs do when in different situations and they attacked my chickens and I felt the only way to solve the problem was to shoot the dogs. I would start with shooting one IF I had to and then see if the other dog would chill. If that dog didn’t chill and I had to shoot the second dog I would then shoot the dog and then immediately contact the police or animal control to report the shooting. I don’t know the whole story but I thought I read that the police responded to shots fired with no results? Mr Christ, if he had a legitimate reason for killing the dogs, could have reported the incident and just dealt with it straight on. He didn’t though. He lied and he let his son take the blame (as a parent I think that is REALLY creepy).
The Christ property is really close to suburbia and while they can hide behind a possibly legitimate reason for killing the dogs they can’t really answer the question of why they hid things and lied and didn’t come forward. The Christs and the other families in that area recently tried to get their properties rezoned for housing and or building some sort of a hotel on their property. They want to shoot the dogs and lie about it and look down their noses at us in our houses that make their properties more valuable. I think that is pretty stupid.
I for one think they could have at the very least handled it better and think that when Mr Christ shot those dogs and pretty much showed his disdain for those of us living near him he created a whole group of folks that will be watching those zone change requests and might just have to insist it stay the way it is. I would hate for him to profit from all of us stupid folks that expect courtesy and consideration and responsibility.
Bev,
Wonderful post.
You almost had it going on there until you slipped up in your last paragraph. Your final statement makes sure that you won’t be in any position to “insist” on anything, if the landowner decides to request re zoning his property. Baseless threats have a nasty way of coming back to haunt, especially when posted for everyone to read.
Unless you actually get a vote on such matters (you don’t) or oversee the zoning department (you don’t) you just screwed up your own little coup.
OMG – you hit the nail on the head. Thank you!
Yes, Alma. No one disputes the right to protect their income producing livestock. It has always been about the how, why, and then the lies. The Christ family had “ONE” small chicken coop, didn’t earn their living from it and once everything exploded in the news… they tore it down. Again, if they have nothing to hide – why tear down the coop?
They have no more chickens because dogs killed them. Its not complicated.
Nothing in the law states that you have to produce income from your livestock. Could be the guy just wanted to eat right,who are you to deny that.
But on that subject, what kind of income did your negligent dog owning friends make from their killer dogs?
Why don’t people like yourself go buy your own livestock from your county fair or auction, or even off craigslist? Then you can entertain yourselves by throwing those kambs or birds into your own backyard and watch your dogs tear them limb from limb and rip their feathers out while their still alive. Or do you feel entitled to OUR animals for your pets entertainment?
The level of entitlement demonstratd by you and your friends is boggling. Already your friends have made a $5K profit off of their own negligence. How much of that will go to the reimburse the person whose property was destroyed, died horrific deaths because of your friends negligence?
Robert,
I’m beginning to think you’re on drugs. You frequently miss-quote others postings (mine included) and some of the things you come up with are mind boggling.
NO ONE (myself included) dispute the fact that all have the right to protect their property, family, and any livestock (whether they make money off them or not). I do not have children but there are children on both sides of me. I work from home and my office looks out on the street. I live between 2 elementary schools and behind a high school. If I saw a person or animal threatening or potentially hurting any of these children, I would run outside with my dogs and/or gun so fast it would make your head spin. I would do whatever it took, including putting myself in harms way to protect someone or something not capable of protecting itself.
The issue is the absolute cruelty in how these dogs were killed (necropsy proves it), the lies, the obstruction of justice, hiding evidence. THAT IS THE ISSUE! If they had nothing to hide, they wouldn’t have behaved the way the did. While all would have been sad for the dogs demise, with honesty on the Christ’s part, we would have understood. Dogs on the loose CAN get pack mentality. Since we were not there, didn’t see, lied to, we don’t know what REALLY happened.
Many years ago (when I was really young) I rescued a dog off the freeway. At the time I didn’t know what it was… only to find out it was a purebred Pit Bull used in a fighting organization that had escaped. He was really sweet to me but didn’t like my cats which I kept locked up. I found him a home. Month later he showed up on my doorstep. I called the people who adopted him only to find out he attacked a small child who required stitches. I drove him to the shelter the very next day and had him euthanized. While I cried the whole way home, I knew I made the right decision as he was a danger to society.
Had the Christ’s contacted authorities immediately and SHOWN them the evidence of what the dogs did (we don’t know for sure because they hid everything), NONE of us would be having this conversation.
My friends are out a lot of money trying to get to the truth and the bottom of what happened. They have NOT made a profit. They paid $3,000 to have a vet from Davis perform the necropsies.
Also, all of us have asked that NO ONE harm the Christ family. While many are angry, it is better to adhere to the laws on the books and try to handle it like decent human beings – unlike the Christ family. Karma will pay them back down the road.
You seem to make a lot of baseless allegations that actually lend nothing to the debate. I’m a christ family member. I’m THAT neighbor, I lie about attacks caused by negligent dog owners in my area. Now I’m on drugs. It seems to be a pattern with you entitled yuppies.
Anyways, I HAVE to make a parts run so I will address the rest of your diatribe later. But I do want to get this message across.
I’m glad that you finally rezponded. Because quite coincidently I had a dog attack on my herd the day before yesterday and I have some pictures to send you if you inbox me on Facebook.
You and your friends are so concerned about the injuries to their killer dogs? I have a picture of a six week old lamb with her face literally chewed off. Literally nothing forward of her sinus cavities on her upper jaw. Her tongue chewed out, as well as her eyes. Her mother took a beating trying to defend her but will probably survive with the aid of sutures and antibiotics that my wife and I administered ourselves.
Here is where it gets graphic. That lamb was still struggling to breathe. Blood and mucus bubbling out the hole where her nose should have been. I had to euthanize her myself with her mother screaming behind me.
I saw the dogs too. Couldn’t get a clear shot, but they’ll be back. They always do.
Please inbox me for your pictures. I’ll address the rest later.
Ok. So I have some time now to address the rest of your rant.
Yes, I believe that you do feel that you have a right to defend what is yours. You just don’t feel that “lesser” people do, untermensch if you will. There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that these dogs were killing livestock.unless you believe that Christ went out, grabbed these dogs, drug them back to his place and killed them to cover up for himself killing his own chickens. Wow.
I don’t find it surprising that you cried over the euthenization of a dog that had mauled a human child. Again, simply wow.
Your entitled friends feel they don’t owe anything over their negligence because they didn’t receive a proper “explanation”. Guess what, Hotpants. Your friends aren’t owed a thing. “Your dogs were killing my livestock, I killed them.” That isthe only eexplanation your friends are owed.
Why did they lie? I don’t know, but it has nothing to do with “the boys” being livestock killers. I can speculate that the old man didn’t know the law as well as I do. This is my business, my livelihood depends on this knowledge. It looks like they took the “Three S’s of livestock defense” (shoot, shovel, shutup) to the next level (shoot, shovel, lie) which is illegal. But again, it has nothing to do with the fact that your friends raised livestock killers that were a menace to the community. The fact that your friends show zero remorse for any animals but their own and continue soliciting for money, shows they continue to be a community menace, after they get new dogs. People like them always get new dogs. It’s their right.
I’ve been through exactly what Christ went through. Even had the cops called on me by ignorant and entitled bay area transplants (again, the problem has NEVER been people like me moving to your communities). Y’all seem to get real shocked to be handed a bill and you don’t get YOUR carcass back if you don’t pay up. Always I got to go to court to see reimbursement and I ALWAYS win. The dogs get thrown in the compost heap and fertilize next seasons tomatoes.
Be grateful that I compost, because a tallow bill would double your debt.
You seem to ramble quite a bit about the costs that your friends incured, even though they’ve solicited for and received $5K in donations. Tell me, if I rearend your Beamer with my truck, does it matter to you how much it cost me to fix my own broken radiator, when my negligence caused injury and damage to both of us?
You seem to ramble on quite a bit about how these cruelly these dogs died. Well check this out. Unless the central nervous system is destroyed, a gunshot wound is about 95% survivable. Real life is not and old western where cowboy gets gut shot and falls dead off a rooftop.
Honestly, their final mechanism of death was a lot more humane than letting lay in the sun and bleed out. Most of us don’t keep syringes loaded with penobarbytal laying around. The most humane thing would have been to do a finishing headshot (was it safe) or exsanguation, but most people don’t have the stomach for that. Again, this is the world that I exist in, a world where food doesn’t originate at Costco. I imagine that Christ had to euthanize his birds in the same manner. I guarantee that those dogs’ final moments were a lot less traumatic than those birds.
Speaking of those birds. Why is it that your friends don’t address how those birds died? For a small sample of what those birds went through, go throw your hair into the fanbelt of your Beamer while it’s running.
Unfortunately, due to all the lies, we don’t know how the birds died.
You’ve addressed NO points I brought up.
Your quote, “Unless the central nervous system is destroyed, a gunshot wound is about 95% survivable” is exactly what we’re talking about.
You are one freaky dude. Stay out there in the sticks because I sure wouldn’t want you as a neighbor.
I don’t own a Beamer!
How dk you suppose Randy Christ’s birds died? Did they commit suicide as your friend’s dogs were trying to talk them out of it? That’s when Christ walked in? Did he kill his own chickens then go out and drag your friends dogs in by the collars to cover up his “crime” of slaughtering his own food? Come on Robin, this may work on your friends after a few glasses of wine and few lines of coke, but I ain’t falling for it.
Did I miss one of your points? Name one and I’ll address or readdress it.
I’m still shaking my head at your shedding tears over humanely euthenizing a dog that mauled a HUMAN child. A child that to this day is scarred physically and mentally. Honestl, is there no end to your antisocial mindset?
Also your lack of any interest whatsoever as to how the animal victims of your friends dogs met their end, the trauma those animals endured, is very conspicuous. Should I send you a message the next time that I have to clean up the results of a dog massacre on mine or a friends property? Will you help clean up? Will you help euthenize the survivors? Make sure to wear yoga pants that blood and manure was out of.
Or are you and Ellen above such things.it would be a heck of a learning experience. But a lesson that you don’t appear interested in learning
Me, stay out here? I plan on it. But take a look around you. How many of us are moving to your area? You can have it. The problem has always been people like you and your friends moving here, because you don’t like what your city has become. A society of YOUR making. Now you come to places like Brentwood and think its good for the dogs to run free. You look at people that have lived there all along and say their property is ugly. Did you ever consider that we consider those piles of stucco that you build is ugly? You think old country homes are ugly. How about old country homes with dead chickens killed by your dogs?
Again, I plan on staying out here. Why don’t take your yuppy entitled friends back to your neighborhood. They already made Brentwood suck, next they’ll be coming this way.
You sure that you don’t want to see the picture of the lamb chewed up by another bay area transplant’s “good dog”?
I hope they go into hiding after this because we all know what they look like and I won’t hesitate to hit either one of those inbred SOB’s with my car. Just disturbing
Nunya-
Your threat is disturbing. You need to check yourself.
This guy obviously has no problem shooting vermin that threatens his birds. Id watch my words, because imagine what he’d do to you, a guy whobthreatened his family.
You need to prosecute these POS to the fullest extent of the law! Animal cruelty!! They lied. These dogs were innocent and this California law sucks
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