Voters who are served under the East Contra Costa Fire Protection District will soon be asked in the form of a Benefit Assessment vote to pay between $100 to $200 to prevent two fire station closures.
If voters reject the Benefit Assessment which is expected to raise $4 million in new revenue, the District will be forced to shutter two stations when the FEMA Grant expires November 18 and work under a 3-staiton model to cover 249-square miles. Currently, with the FEMA Grant, the District is operating a 5-station model.
During a July 17 East Contra Costa Fire Protection Districts Finance Committee Meeting, a first look at the amount residents will be asked to pay to keep open fire stations was revealed.
According to the PowerPoint, the fire board is using the theory that the Baseline Service level will be 3-stations (plus the Sunshine Station) with 32 personnel while Expanded Service under a benefit assessment would provide a total of 5 stations (plus the Sunshine Station) with 50 personnel.
Approximate annual assessment range, as preliminary identified
- Single family residence: $100-$110
- Multi-Family Parcels: $120-$200
- Commercial Parcels: $100-$200+
- Government, agricultural, others: $100-$200+
The Board is expected to tighten up these figures once the Engineers Report is in draft form and finalized in the next few weeks. They are expcted to review the draft from of the Engineers Report on July 31.
An Engineers Report—a report that study the proposed improvements, estimate costs, diagram the proposed district boundaries, and calculate a fair allocation of the benefit assessments among the benefited parcels in direct proportion to the amount of special benefit each receives.
Here is a look at the remaining timeline:
July 2014:
- The District receives draft Special versus General Benefit analysis and provides comments to the District’s consultant.
- The District receives a preliminary engineer’s report and draft notice, instructions, envelope language and ballots and provides comments to the District’s consultant.
- The Board of Directors considers a draft resolution, preliminary engineer’s report, notice, instructions, envelope language and ballot.
August 2014:
- Prior to August 8, 2014, the Board approves engineer’s report and sets public hearing date for benefit assessment.
- No later than August 15, 2014, the District’s consultant (or subconsultant) prints and mails notices, instructions, return envelopes and ballots.
October 2014:
- October 6, 2014, the Board holds public hearing, after which the ballots are counted in a location open to the public.
November 2014:
- November 3, 2014, the voting results are announced and, if property owners do not submit a majority of votes in protest, the Board can enact the benefit assessment.
August 2015:
- If the Board enacts the benefit assessment, it is placed on the tax rolls by the County Assessor’s Office.
December 2015:
- New revenue from the assessment enters the District.
How Benefit Assessment Voting Works
Unless a majority of votes (50% + 1), weighted based on assessment amount, protests enactment of an assessment, the governing body may move forward.
But here is how the process works:
Local officials must mail to all affected property owners, a ballot to vote for or against the proposed assessment, and a notice containing the date, time, and place of the public hearing at which ballots will be counted, as well as specific information about the proposed benefit assessment. This information must include the purpose of the benefit assessment, the amount that would be charged to the owner’s parcel, how that amount was calculated, and the duration of the payments.
The ballot must carry the agency’s address or include a self-addressed envelope so that property owners can return their ballots by mail.
Ballots are weighted by the amount each property owner is to pay, with those paying more getting a larger share of the vote. In other words, the ballots are weighted in proportion to the amount of benefit each property receives from the benefit assessment. This means that a property owner that receives twice the benefit of another property owner would pay twice the assessment. ‘
The property owner paying twice as much would also have their vote count twice as much.
If the votes cast determine that the weighted majority of the voting property owners are against the assessment, then local officials must abandon the assessment.
If the assessment passes, local officials can still modify the plan in response to public comment. However, if substantial modifications are made to the assessment plan upon which landowners cast their vote, a new election may be required. The local agency cannot increase an assessment after the property owners approve it except as provided in the original assessment proposal.
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Just so voters are clear, we can vote to pay $100 to $200 to maintain current status of 5 stations. How is that a benefit? How can they say baseline is 3 stations when they have 5 stations currently. These directors are crooks! This is not a benefit because voters get nothing added.
Because if fire stations close. Iso ratings go up. So your insurance will go up. The benefit is paying 100 compared to your high insurance rates.
The 5 have been maintained only because of a Federal grant which goes away in November. In fact, most of that money is already gone because the personnel that it was funding have moved to jobs in other Districts.
We would have been at 3 had it not been for the grant.
In essence, ECCFPD became a training ground because people didn’t listen and apparently a couple of you haven’t done much to educate yourselves since.
Jim54
The reality is you get 3 stations or 5 stations. Do you not see the benefit? If there is a structure fire or a vehicle accident, the entire district is without coverage. So I ask you, if we don’t keep 5 stations open, then what is your plan?
It’s 5 stations because of a federal Grant. Please get informed before spouting ignorance.
Reality Check,
How much do you really know about the history of your district, and if your against this plan , what is your plan? And please save me the Volunteer, Paid on Call direction. Please put your resume out there so everyone can see you are an expert in this field.
$100 well wort keeping open two added stations. The District has my vote!
I agree with the above comment. How can 3 be used as the baseline when they currently have 5? I hope someone decides to sue the district over this fraud of a so called assessment. Of course, we can only hope people return their ballots with a giant NO vote.
The only reason there are 5 stations right now is because of a federal grant. When they did not have the grant, two stations were close for some time. The grant will expire in November and the district will not have the funding to keep the two stations open.
Fraud? How is this a fraud. The district is putting to the voters whether they want 3 stations or 5. I ask you Jill Thompson, have you participated in the finace committee, or have you attended the out reach committee? You see, it’s easy to sit back and think you have all the knowledge, but in reality, you have very little.
Do some research people
So if you don’t vote it is considered a yes?, Kinda slimy
and underhanded ,dontcha think?
Then vote. It’s not like the district is hiding anything. Cat Skinner , have you attended a fire board meeting? This conversation has been going on for the last several months. I’ve been there. I would like to meet you.
This is “VOODOO” Government. YES “means No” you are against this and NO “means Yes” you are for this. Be very careful, this is Government trickery to get around Prop 13 requirements.
The only thing this has to do with Prop 13 is that this district was frozen on the allotted dollars it could collect for fire service. Dale, this had nothing else to do with the other benefits you have gained through Prop 13. Why do you think Antioch has twice as much collections on the single dollar than Brentwood, Oakley, Discovery Bay, Byron,Bethel Island, and the Marsh Creek Territory.
The fire board has lost trust with the voters. This type of tax is a dishonest way to proceed. A Benefit Assesment District is a BAD idea for a plethora of reasons.
My vote will be NO.
Why is this a dishonest way to go. The people still have a yes or no vote. What has the Fire board done to lose trust of the people. I have been to almost all the meetings, yet for all of those who talk bad about the board , I ask where do you get your info? I’m certain you haven’t been consistent on your attendance to the board meetings.
$110 a year is $ 9.17 a month . Most home owners never need the services of our Fire Department, but if you do you would what them FAST.The first ones at ANY emergency not just a fire are our Fire Departments. I will vote for the $9.17 a month for MY and YOUR protection for any emergency.
I can’t believe how many uneducated people there are out here in East County. Here it is, if you do not vote “Yes” on this assessment East Contra Costa will close two stations and we will only have (3) stations. The two stations that are closing are staying open right now on a Federal Grant which I believe expires in November 2014.
If you vote yes then we will keep all five stations open and staffed. I don’t see why people keep trying to muddy the waters.
Jill Thompson and Reality Check there is no fraud, it is basic economics and called working around your budget. When property taxes fall, certain departments and divisions within cities and counties get less money. With property taxes going down, East County Fire has been receiving less and less money every year so they need to close stations and cut staffing to balance their budget.
Being a new east county resident and recently moving from an area covered by Con-Fire I would like better coverage than just (3) stations. Its worth a $200 investment……..
DB resident,
My taxes have seen a steady increase over the last few years and are now back to the levels of the pre housing market meltdown. The temporary reduction in proper tax assesments have a built in escalator to enable them to return to former assessed values quicker-read your tax bill!
I would be happy to support anything BUT a B enefit A ssesment D istrict tax aka; BAD tax.
ECV,
What would you support? It’s easy to sit back and say no , but do you really understand how your Fire Department is funded? If you do, I would love to see you spell it out for all of us. Please educate me.
The fact remains the county bos continues to be afraid to create a new/more efficient fire-ems-first responder entity to take the place of (at least) eccfpd and con fire. They could have started years ago and been done with it by now but they do not have the guts to take on the union. And lets be clear ….these days unions largely exist to fight against efficiency.
The story for a true ‘benefit’ could be very easily made if a new, more efficient and highly leveraged entity was created and if the delivery of EMS was made more progressive ….such as, training every CCC marine patrol deputy to be an EMT. If just this one advancement had been made just think of all the fire department calls for service that could have been/would be avoided.
One really has to step back once and a while and think about why things cost so much and taxes are so high in CA, especially in the bay area…. I believe the answer goes to habitually electing individuals who are likely not capable of holding real jobs and are more interested in satisfying special interests and getting elected for ever rather than truly doing what is right but often more difficult.
Jeff,
You don’t even live in this state. Why do you keep on misleading the public? Things have chanced since you left 2-3 years ago. You are out of touch and no nothing about the fire service in East County!
I question how the benefit (and cost) is measured.
1) What is the special benefit of two “extra” stations for a single family home with two people?
2) What is the special benefit of two “extra” stations for residential living facilities like Westmont of Brentwood that provides residency to hundreds of customers/patients?
Obviously the actual benefit of these two “extra” stations is MUCH, MUCH greater for residential living facility. Double? Not even close.
If we are talking about emergency medical services, doesn’t the number of people residing on the parcel play into the benefit (and cost)?
That’s why God invented Engineering Reports. Required by law, btw. You could try reading one. You could even improve your odds by reading the one specific to this ballot initiative.
Medical(EMS) cost is specifically excluded in that report. Bummer, huh? Kinda takes the legs out from under one of your crutch excuses.
The ballot measure is about maintaining fire suppression.
I WORK FOR A BIG INSURANCE COMPANY AND LET ME TELL YOU….BECAUSE OF THE INGORANCE OF THE PEOPLE THAT SAID THAT THIS IS FRAUD, THE LAST BALLOT DIDN’T GO THROUGH. AN ADDITIONAL 100 ZIP CODES WERE ADDED TO THE NON ELIGABLE LIST HERE IN CALIFORNIA, ONE BEING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US DUE TO FIREHOUSES BEING CLOSED. PREMIUMS ARE BASED ALSO ON RESPONSE TIMES AND HOW FAR FIRE DEPTS ARE SO YOU TELL ME WHOS IN THE WRONG? I WON’T MIND PAYING AN ADDITIONAL $9.17 PER MONTH FOR MY MIND TO BE AT EASE. PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!
Reality,
I’m not sure which particular big insurance company you work for but here is a news flash for you; Most large insurance company’s (including industry leader State Farm) are NOT writing any new policies in California. This has NOTHING to do with East Contra Costa Fire District! It has everything to do with the regulations imposed by our screwed up state, the over abundance of losses and lawsuits.
You don’t have to work for the industry- just call a local agent. As esurance claims, It took me less than 15 minutes. “Welcome to the new world”.
Reality – I believe the last time it failed was because it was done the right way.
This one might pass and will then be tied up in court forever because of the less than honest/honorable way the ECCFPD board has gone about things. Shiny “the sky is falling” mailers won’t make it better. Actually, I wonder who is paying for those?
The amount is more reasonable this time, but I think they’d do better if it were placed on the regular ballot with provisions for reducing/eliminating the extra tax as normal receipts from property taxes go back up.
That said, I really think a county-wide solution would be better. A single, county funded organization without boards and chiefs in every corner would almost have to produce some savings. Before I get jumped on (again) with “don’t you think they’ve thought of that????”, yes, I’m sure they have…and I’m also sure that what I would call “empire building and protection” would come into play at every turn. It’s normal human nature to try and keep what you’ve built.
The BOS is going to have to grab the bull by the tail and face the situation. One has to look no further than the Los Medanos Health Care District. People were elected to that board who had committed to disbanding it…until they got there. If I remember right, for a long time the biggest proponent of keeping it going was really only committed to the free health plan she got. In any case, they don’t have a hospital, but they get tax money and are darn sure they’re going to spend it.
Captain Klutz,
This type of assessment has been passed and upheld in the state of California. If it’s not being used for medical purposes and solely to keep fire stations open for fire suppression, then it is legal
Captain Klutz,
Have you attended any of the finance committee meetings ? Of coarse had you, you would have realized that the monies collected is nothing like the examples you have stated.
Stop spreading rumors. If your claiming a fact give us the link the Cal State Insurance Commission document that allows what you are spreading around. I call B.S. If this measure is to pass then we all have to want it and trust the fire district to apply the added funds efficiently. Claiming the sky is falling makes me want to puke on those BS ers. Someone needs to pay the recent raises and losses in pension funds. That’s you and me. Stop the BS threats or merge with Con Fire.
Got news for ya, Chuckie. MANY of the major insurance companies are not writing any new policies in California. That’s from someone who had to buy one this week. Should be a major news headline, but the media hasn’t picked up on it. That’s a company by company decision, not the Insurance Commissioner’s office making it.
As for the pension bone that you clowns can’t seem to let go of, CALPERS just reported something in the neighborhood of 18% appreciation for the most recent fiscal year. Kinda blows a hole in your BS now doesn’t it?
It’s interesting to take just one step back and read the mentality of people like you. One doesn’t even have to read between the lines. You imply that fire fighters should just get a starting salary, never receive a raise and not receive any retirement benefits. Right there in your own words.
You and former resident, now living in Utah Jefe Barber still can’t grasp basic governance or the nature of special districts. It’s why you keep repeating your merge garbage like it’s a no brainer.
Would be easier to explain civics to a fifth grader than you guys. There are no economies of scale with a merger. You have been asked repeatedly to point out why you think that statement is flawed and all we get is crickets chirpnig from you.
There is no massive overlap of management between these two districts. Therefore, no “fat” to cut in any merger. Deal with reality for a change instead of inventing crap in your head. The budgets of these districts don’t have a very long list of line items and they are available for public review. It would take 5 minutes for you to sit down and point, specifically, to the line item you think would result in this massive savings you claim is available with a merge.
But you never do. Because you can’t. It’s not there.
You guys live in little sociopathic bubbles. You should get out more.
I will vote yes because I don’t want anyone else to be in the position that all of us who live on Bethel Island are faced with. We have NO services. Our station was closed, and if we need emergency help our houses burn down our loved ones die because it takes 15 minutes or more for anyone to get to us, and honestly, they might as well not bother, because it will be too late. Yet, we continue to pay and pay and pay so that OTHERS can be protected. Sad, sad, sad.
Marie,
If you really care about Bethel Island, you should vote NO. Voting for this B.A.D. tax would guarantee that the island will remain without a fire station for a long, long time. If this BAD tax were to pass the chances of passing a long term solution are ZERO. That makes NO sense! This does far more harm than good.
Really. Your closest station will be station 93 rather than 94. I’m pretty sure that station is closer. Please share with us what your back ground, and experience is with this district that you talk so knowledgeably about.
Ms . Worth,
Do you know how much it cost to have a full time station? If this measure is passed the Summer Lakes station should at the request of all should be requested.
Responses like yours Clue are just to hard to pass up. Insurance companies increase rates through a process with the insurance commission just like the PUC on utility rates. They also determine and by region not small little pocket areas. So your BS is just that BS.
CALPERS did brag about a windfall of 18%. I think that is as wonderful as the county tax collector bragging about a huge 22% revenue increase in Brentwood and Oakley. That’s a 22% revenue increase for fire district too ! Yet they still want a new tax. If they do not merge they will still need it because out supervisors and cities continue to approve new development knowing full well the it is a negative burden on the fire district. With a benefit tax that will all change. Those politicians in the pockets of developers will not be able to waive the benefit tax.
I’m not familiar with Jefe Barber. Why you pulled his name out of a hat tells me you must be jealous of his comments.
With the new high roller 22% increase in revenue for the fire district and 18% for the pensions, why are you still dumbfounded. You should be jumping for joy. Finally, to correct your first comment that you said there were five stations that the districted started with and two are being kept open with a grant is more of your stupidity.
This district had SEVEN stations when it started AND knew exactly what revenue it had all along. It also knew along with the Supervisors what it would be getting. So for those of you who think the district was blindly steering the ship, you must have the same mentality as Mr. Clue. The district has been putting corks in the holes as the cities and county have been making them with development approvals that under generate fire revenue.
I don’t know if there will be a lawsuit or not. At this time I see no increase benefit for the additional dollars asked for. I do know the cliff keeps getting closer.
Merging is one of the two only solutions. Con Fire has accepted other districts with different tax rates before. That’s how they got the name Consolidated Fire.
Our Supervisors have failed us since the merger of East County Fire. They combined the districts knowing there was not enough revenue and never would be. They continue to approve new growth knowing that the revenue from that growth is increasing the negative losses on the fire district. That is why I will not vote for or support the current supervisor every again. However, I will vote for this benefit tax because it will also keep the new developments in line. It will apply to every parcel that multiplies thus keeping in touch with increased revenue needs as east county grows. There should not be a sunset clause either. Vote yes or Merge with Con Fire.
To be super clear — I have never advocated for the two primary fire departments in CCC to ‘merge’. I think a merger would be a bad idea. I do however believe the county should create a brand new first responder entity that takes the place of at at least con fire and eccfpd. This new entity should be focused on today’s needs and futures needs and not stuck in the past. Fire departments put out fires and have to be good at that but mostly they do medical stuff and they need high level capabilities for other disaster/first responder needs. In my opinion the current/future needs will be best met with a new and leveraged entity that does not have multiple boundaries and can better utilize specialized resources and man power across a much wider territory.
And yes ….in the process of doing all this the comp plan(s) would face real scrutiny and there would be the opportunity to improve job security by developing truly sustainable benefit/pay packages that will work on a long term basis.
Who would like a plan like this ….typical tax payers and most of the employees. Who will fight like hell against it ….the union puppet masters.
One question to those who love the status quo ….CCC is a county with water all over the place, some of it big and a lot of it remote. Bad things happen on water …whey the heck are the people paid to patrol these waters not fully capable first responders? I can tell you why ….CCC is poorly run and that local politicos are in the pockets of special interests. Select deputies being EMT’s would mean fewer fire dept call outs which would mean more efficiency and the unions hate efficiency even though efficiency in this case means faster medical care to those who badly need it.
Hey Jeffrey, hope you didn’t spend too much time on that posting.
And they say you can’t waste space on the internet.
What a joke!
Jefe, my curiosity got the best of me and I have to ask.
How far down Hwy 4 does a moose boat from the Marine Patrol travel before grinding a hole in the bottom?
You don’t see a problem with a boat based in Antioch responding to a victim extraction from an accident on Vasco?
I mean you’ve said some pretty damn stupid stuff over the years. Some guffaw, falling on the floor laughing type numbers. But this could be a new watermark even for you.
Nothing in that rambling pile of dog poo makes a logistical case for elimination of even one fire station. Not a single one. So where is the cost savings again? Oh, that’s right. You just want to union bust and then expect people to take a 40% pay haircut for your benefit.
So instead of leveraging existing resources with a nearly free value add of EMS tacked onto fire fighters, you want to turf it off to the Sheriff?? Because you concluded they have too much idle time or something?
Your basic common sense face plant right there.
Dude, you didn’t make your money in a corporate buyout. You got paid to leave before you killed someone with your idiocy.
Chuck, we’re not talking about rate increases. We’re talking about insurance companies not writing policies at all…….at any price. Pick up the phone, call a broker and find out for yourself. Or just sit there remaining a fool. Your call.
The District is going to see about an 8% increase in revenue, Chuckie. It was explained to you multiple times before.
There is actually a finance committee meeting today at 10am at the Oakley station. Maybe, instead of repeatedly looking like an uninformed fool here, you could drag your sorry ass down there and get educated. They talk all numbers and stuff, so it probably flies over your head. But there is a chance you could learn something if they dumb it down enough for you. You could walk away with a cool handout with numbers on it. Then you can highlight this 22% number you insist is in there and post it for all of the rest of us to see.
That or you can continue to live in your weird little parallel universe of lies.
Your biggest problem is twofold. a)you can’t grasp third grade level math and b)you can’t read simple history.
The District started with 8 stations, Chucklehead. Byron, Discovery Bay and Bethel Island have closed since. The 5 was in response to what’s being held open with federal dollars.
The formation of the District and why a revenue enhancement was handed to local control is well documented for anyone paying attention. Obviously you aren’t. District revenue is determined by a STATE formula put in place by Proposition 13 and AB 8. The Board of Supervisors have no say and no control over that. Nor do they have the power to alter the formula.
How many times do the basics have to be explained to you?
All new development pays the same ad valorem figures, the same supplementals and contribute to the tax base in the same manner as existing properties. How many times has THAT simple concept been explained to you as well? In fact, since no new property could be unequally protected by a Prop 13 grandfathering. New properties more likely to contribute MORE than old properties in simple one-to-one comparisons. Because new property will be assessed at today’s higher property values and contributing at a MUCH higher rate than a property that has been held since before Prop 13.
Simple mathematical fact, Chuck. So much for your backward logic on revenue contributions.
Still waiting for you to step up and explain where the cost savings lie with a merge. Going to the meeting today will hand you a nice, fresh little budget document. You can redline it for us.
Time to step up or STFU, Chuckie. Living your whole life stuck on stupid is just a sad way to do it.
Buy a Clue –
While sometimes I think the snarky name calling is a little much – I have to say that I am always impressed that you put your money where your mouth is when it comes to attending the board and finance meetings and doing your homework. There is a lot of BS out there coming from people who (1) Either don’t live in the district or state or who (2) use too much of their parrot skills by repeating what they have “heard” rather than doing their own research and forming their own opinions based on the facts out there. I have never once had a Fire Board Member or the EECFPD’s office tell me no when I was looking for research clarifications.
Keep rocking the mad skills Clue.
Clue, You are just too easy to prove how out of touch with reality your pathetic life is. I guess your little JR friend ( probably you too) have to keep those inner demons from taking to yourself at night. I will first address your station comment as I was expecting nothing less than your lame comment that actually reinforces that we had more than twice the number of stations when your queen supervisor drove us into financial ruin. She continues to approve development while allowing the fire district no relief by giving a free pass to her campaign friends. So much for the public and its safety. The eighth station that actually belongs to Cal Fire not ECCFPD is saving money hand over fist. Without them your fire district would be in even worse financial ruin. That eighth Cal Fire Station saves the tax payers from over pensioned debt costs for the local retire at 50 with full medical for life group. I am glad that you brought that about the eight stations to show how the supervisors pushed us to the edge of this cliff over the last ten years. They could have went with Cal Fire all the way but they didn’t. Can you say ” special interest ” and not public interest?
Secondly, I do not need a finance committee meeting to show numbers when it’s all on line. You go ahead with those meetings. I’m sure they welcome your irritating BS. You counter my fact that tax revenue has only increased 8% where I was closer to 20% and how I gathered those facts. Well chump the facts were gathered right here on this website. The website was kind enough to post figures on July 2, 2014.
July 2, 2014 East County Today
” Coming from the City of Oakley is ( 20.12% ) , Brentwood (18.64% ). ” This is good news for East County cities as it means they will receive ADDITIONAL revenue at a higher rate than expected. Here is a look at the breakdown of the NET GAIN from last year “.
Clue, Do you know what “net gain means” or do you need to ask the rocks in your pocket ? So, I rounded the increase to 22% because other media had done so. Big deal. The site posted similar numbers so we can use those. Your 8% percent places you at failing 4th grade school class as you are off by 12%. So, run along with your pocket of rocks and find out who is taking the other 12% increase dollar revenue to our fire district.
There are only two cures for this financially comatose fire district to revive it. Merge with Con Fire or vote yes on this benefit district. The only cure other than merge with Con Fire is to stop the Supervisor and the Cities from rubber stamping new development without proper mitigation. That is unlikely without creating this benefit because of the special interest relationship that exists with the current Supervisor. Just look at the campaign contributions. Voting yes like I plan will force new development to comply with current cost needs. The revenue from this will also multiply as east county grows. This cannot be waved as the supervisor have done recently. The Cities and the Supervisor will be unable to allow a pass through of much needed mitigation for our fire district for their special political interests.
Can you say ” special interest ” ? Now run along with your make believe pocket of friends and track down that missing 12% increase in revenue that was misplaced.
Vote Yes or Merge with Con Fire.
Vote no…then you can stand around dumb founded as your house burns, the heart attack kills or your child stops breathing because the crucial minutes lost on the drive from the nearest fire station are your own fault. Then explain to your families that their well being wasn’t worth $9.17 a month. Oh and when you no longer have home owners insurance, I am sure that $100 you saved being ignorant will be helpful in rebuilding your now charred piece of land. I am disgusted at the behavior and the uneducated comments. My family will always come first no matter what the cost and if it is costing me $9.17 a month I consider that a deal. When did the fireman become the bad guy, when I was a kid they were all heros….they still are.
Nia Nia,
Chuck is none other than John from Knightsen. Normally it wouldn’t matter who the commenter is but in this case it does. He is a well known outcast and a terminally confused individual. He has a very colorful history. His comments are always based on his own frustration. He was removed from constant meddling by the county supervisor so he always fabricates some trumped up blame issue trying to get even. Most people tune him out once they hear what he has. To say-It’s some kind of sick infatuation on his part.
Don’t mistake his comments as uneducated-they are purposely meant to mislead you. He is just not very good at his game. Everything that comes from his mouth or in this case keyboard, can easily be disproven.
You would be best to ignore him because as you can see, confusing him with facts is pointless. In short, he is stuck on stupid.
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